shadowkat: (Calm)
From a brief discussion in an unrelated comments thread on a previous post...I got to thinking about two things that bewilder me about fandom and part of my issue with fandom:

It regards:
a) Turning Fictional Characters into Icons for a Social Cause and what happens when the story and/or writer either has the characters betray that cause or die

b) Character Deaths, or more specifically controversial character deaths which the fandom took personally or as a personal affront.

a. The tendency to turn fictional characters into icons for social justice causes. Example: Buffy Summers as a feminist icon, or Ianto (and/or Tara) as an icon for the LGBT movement or the Tara/Willow and Ianto/Jack relationships.

spoilers for major character deaths in Torchwood and Buffy )

b) This leads me to the other problem, where we become way too emotionally invested in one character or pairing. To the point that we wish to dictate to the writer what they should or should not do with the character or pairing. This intensity of emotion...is often what gives "shippers" a bad name and causes kerfuffles. Unlike (a), the individual who has become obsessed with the character isn't so much turning the character into a cause or icon, as turning the character into a personal best friend/boyfriend/girlfriend. OR they may just identify strongly. Something about that character resonates on a deep subliminal level - and the viewer falls in love. I understand this, actually, I've fallen in love with characters and wanted desperately to figure them out and get more of them. And I've stopped watching tv shows or reading books or comics, where that character is summarily killed off. Or the writer threatened to kill them. But I've noticed some fans take it to extremes, and like me, we lose the story.

The other day at work, I ran into my bud, Will, he feeds the squirrles in Rufus King Park. He groused to me that his squirrels all lost their homes, because they chopped down all the trees. You'll see when you go, he told me. I wasn't planning on walking around the park that day, a)it was cold and b) my leg hurt (back issues), but curiousity won out and I went. What shocked me was hardly any trees were gone. Just one - a big, beautiful, oak, which clearly had to be chopped down before it killed someone. But Will saw that tree gone and it didn't matter, might as well have been all the trees. This is similar to the fan who adores one character in tv series or book above all the others, and when that character is killed much like Will and his favorite tree - the writer might as well have killed all the characters.
Like Will they don't see why the writer had to kill the character, why it was necessary for the story or how it furthers it - they just see the dead character. That's all. They can't see the forest for the trees.

This is true in life as well.

spoilers for major character deaths in Torchwood and Buffy )

This admittedly may be seen as a somewhat controversial post...so, if this topic is at all triggery for you? Do us both a favor and scroll on by. Just my opinion, after all. And as you know, my opinions aren't necessarily set in stone, they are often changeable as the tides. [ETA: if you are coming from a link, or are new to this journal, please be advised that I have a 0 tolerance rule for nasty comments and trollish behavior. I will delete you without warning and without comment as if you were spam.]
shadowkat: (Aeryn Sun- Tired)
1. Lethargic most of today...possibly result of lack of sleep most of this week. It does catch up with you eventually, doesn't it? Pretty day though, quite warm. Did venture out long enough to get groceries.

2. This past week's Mad Men was impressive. Various interloping stories - all circling around actual events at the time, Vietnam and the Richard Speck murders. I know about Richard Speck because my mother told me about it - she was living in Chicago at the time of the murders. The nine nurses that he raped and killed.

I'm tempted to write meta on this episode, but I have no energy for much of it. None. There are highlights...though, bits and pieces I'd like to reference..so a mini-meta as it were.

Mad Men - Mystery Date )

3. Was thinking about following famous writers. And got to talking with the Momster. The weird thing about art is the successful ones aren't really that good, they are just really good at marketing themselves, while the really good and talented artists...you've never really heard of. For example, raise your hand if you heard of John Green before green_maia and I went nuts over his book? He's a very good writer. Doesn't write genre. Isn't really on the best-seller list. Got a brief interview in a mag. I walk in Barnes and Noble, and the mediocre writers are displayed and right out front, while the less well known but better ones are hidden and you have to scrounge to find. (All hail the Kindle - where all books are equal and spread by word of mouth!)

At any rate, my difficulty with the prolific writers or following writers in general is..
often they are one-hit wonders. Read more... )
I'm looking forward to Aaron Sorkin's HBO TV series entitled Newsroom starring Jeff Daniels, Emily Watson, Sam Waterson, Jane Fonda (yes she plays the network head), and various guest stars from Joseph Malina to Jesse Zuckerman (from The Social Network).

4. Speaking of hit or miss, Shondra Rhimes new show Scandal is a bit too cheesy for its own good. Too light. One almost wants to make fun of it. And it falls into cliches.
I feel at times as if I'm watching a Nora Roberts novel made for television and that can't be good.

5. So the writers of the Buffy comics think "Buffy" wants a normal life. Apparently they skipped S6 and S7 and the first part of S9, when she tried that?
snark on the comics. Note I'm not reading the comics, I'm just reacting to the reviews and links that I've read about them. So this isn't really helpful to anyone who wants insight. IF you love the comics, don't jump down my throat, you can love them...we don't have to like the same things. )

As an aside...If you haven't read it yet? Whedon's interviews on EW and NY Times are hilarious.
little on the snarky side. )
shadowkat: (atpobitrosalindrussel)
An ode to Television Writers - who are currently writing TV shows and/or movies/comic books that I can read. Why TV Writers and why this ode? Ah, because I need a frigging distraction at the moment from my frustrating job search. And two because TV writers have the toughest jobs out there. Novelists have it easy - they get to take as much time as they want to develop their story, revise it, outline it, edit it, tinker with it, and they don't have to worry about some director/head writer/network exec/producer and actor mucking around with it or excuse the lingo, fucking it up. TV writing requires a lot of patience, a bit of negotiation, and a touch of compromise. You have to know when to fight for your art and when to let go - because letting go makes it better. You also have to write fast, on demand, and occassionally for characters and stories you may despise and had no control in creating. TV writers are a bit like actors - they jump from gig to gig, often not knowing how long their work will last. Their jobs are stressfull, fast-paced, and collaborative. They also put up with a lot of crap. And if their work sucks - they get creamed from five places at once. Not a job I envy nor one I'd want, hence the reason I've never tried to be a TV writer. I love to write and I adore TV - but I would not want to be a TV writer.

On my walk today, started thinking about *who* my favorite tv writers were (see here comes the geekiness, told you). Why think this? Ah, while bored and wired last night I wandered about the net and realized that if I were at a convention, I would not be standing in the line around the block for an autograph for James Marsters (*really* not into autographs and ugh, lines - I don't do lines unless absolutely necessary), but rather at one of the writers' tables chatting or listening to a writers panel. (Which may explain why I don't do conventions. That and the crowds. Me and large crowds of people - unmixy things.)

Anywho - My subjective qualifications regarding tv writers are relatively simple: good/snappy dialogue, interesting and prickily characters, unpredictable plot-arcs, and a desire to subvert or change stereotypes and genres - bend them. I also tend to like serials. Always have. Always will. For me you need to give the story time to unfold. The episodic show which lasts no more than an hour - just doesn't have enough time. Again it is a subjective thing. (ie. My opinion.)

Other qualifications - which if you choose to copy this meme you should follow since this is the only objective criteria outside of the number -

1) these are writers who I've seen most of their work and tend to follow around, watching whatever they write for because I know they are writing for that series. (To prove this am listing what they've done in the past.)

2)Each one must be associated with a favorite TV show either currently on or that I've watched in the past and on DVD and is part of reason I am watching said TV show:

In no particular order, just off the top of my head. (Because I'm not bothering to rank. Ranking would be silly, hate ranking. Do far too much ranking in this society in my opinion. Do not need to do more.)

1. Ron Moore - Battle Star Galatica - this third season looks fascinating. According to one of the zines I read: They are playing with Lost's format of doing the flashback to explain why the character is where they currently are. So you get two parrelle stories - A: current plot arc, B:flash-back. Flashback is often self-contained and can be episodic. Current isn't. Both centered on character and the characters propell themes and story-arcs. For example - we'll get flashbacks explaining Starbuck's current relationships with Apollo and Col. Tigh. Prior to BSG - Ron Moore wrote for Star Trek Next Generation, Voyager, Deep Space 9, Carnival, Roswell, Touching Evil, G vs. E, Mission Impossible II, and the screenplay for Star Trek : First Contact. Having seen portions of all of these - can say, fantastic genre writer. [go here for info: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0601822/ and here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_D._Moore]

2. Shonda Rhimes - Grey's Anatomy, and one of the few female head writers in TV right now. It's a wasteland out there. And Rhimes has Whedon and Sorkin's knack for dialogue/slang. She develops catch-words that find their way into pop-culture. va-jay-jay, seriously, mcDreamy...are all examples. Also one of the few writers out there who can do a multi-racial cast without falling into racial stereotypes. Moore does the same. Hasn't written for many tv shows. Did write something for Scrubs and a TV film: Introducing Dorothy Dandridge. Known to be a huge BTVS fan and took a page from Whedon in coming up with her own slang for her show. [Go here for info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shonda_Rhimes]

3. Rob Thomas - Veronica Mars - is able to make a teen drama adult, juggling both the adult and teen storylines simulataneously. Also bends and transforms a tired noir detective genre, making it at times snarky. Pokes fun at it. Does for Private Dick films what Whedon did for slasher horror films. Pop-culture is used sparingly but well. Hasn't written that much for TV - his cred's currently include Dawson's Creek (yes, scoff all you want, I watched and enjoyed Dawson's for quite a while, it's the predecessor to The OC) Snoops - in 1999 (but had a falling out with David E. Kelley - which makes me like him even more, Kelley gets on my nerves - how long and how sappy can we make the mologue today? sigh.),Cupid - short lived but quite wonderful, Space Ghost Coast to Coast - which I didn't catch much of. [For more info - go here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rob_Thomas_%28writer%29]

4. Doris Egan - currently with House, but you've seen her work on Smallville, Dark Angel, The Profiler, and Tru Calling. A writer who hunts a way to make the medical mystery explore an internal part of the character. One of her episodes was last year's House and the lawyer lady stuck at the airport.[Go here for more info: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0250668/ and her blog: [livejournal.com profile] tightropegirl]

5. Joss Whedon - best dialogue guy out there. Best known as the Creator of Angel, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Firefly, and has written for Roseanne, also known for writing the screenplays for: Serenity (directed as well), Alien Resurrection, Titan A.E, Buffy the Vampire Slayer (film version), and Toy Story. (And I've seen everything he's done, which I suppose makes me a groupie. Ugh.) He's also written the comics Tales of the Vampires, Fray, Astonishing X-men. Knows how to find the humor in just about any dramatic or romantic sappy moment. Also amazing whiz at blending genres. One of the few male writers out there who likes to write strong women, particulary women who save men and not the other way around. (Wish the writers of Smallville and Supernatural would learn from his example.)[For more info, go here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joss_Whedon]

6. Ryan Murphy - writer of Nip/Tuck and now Running with Scissors. Apparently also wrote an Angel episode? Or is that Shawn Murphy? Interesting writer - again one who knows who to break barriers. Yes, he goes over the top at times, but his characters to me at least remain interesting.And he gives his women bite. They aren't weaklings. Everyone in a Murphy show is messed up yet charmingly so. Hasn't done that much television or not that much that I've seen outside of the snarky teen spoof Popular, and a couple of films. Like Rhimes, an up and comer on the list. [go here for info: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0614682/#writer]

7. Aaron Sorkin - the king of the rapid fire dialogue, possibly better than Whedon at times - since he does straight drama not genre, which has less action and far more talking. Sorkin can do a rapid fire dialogue scene while two people are doing nothing more than walking down a hallway and make it more interesting than a five minute action sequence, and get in more plot and character development. He does occassionally get preachy, but usually when he's at the top of his game, undercuts with humor or a snide remark. His dramas include: The West Wing (up to S4 I think, before he got caught with drugs and went into rehab), Sports Night, and now tonight, Studio 60 on the Sunset Strip ( which every tv critic adores - sort of makes me nervous).[Go here for more info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Sorkin] Like Whedon, Sorkin often plays script-doctor on his off time and has written many screenplays including: A Few Good Men, Malice, and The American President - which gave him the idea for The West Wing.

8. Jane Espenson - knows how to do physical comedy without making me cringe, tough to do. Has a subtle touch. Also understands how it should relate to character. She wrote amazingly well for the male characters in Buffy, specifically Xander, Jonathan and Spike. Will be writing an episode of BSG this year. Her tv credits include Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Angel, Firefly, Gilmore Girls, Tru Calling, The OC, Star Trek Deep Space 9, and this year episode 3 of Battle Star Galatica - entitled The Passage. Jane won a Hugo for an episode of Buffy in Season 7 of the show. [For more info, go here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane_Espenson]
Jane, like Doris Egan and Shondra Rhimes, has a weblog, which can be located here:http://www.janeespenson.com/]

9. Alan Ball - the writer and creator of Six Feet Under and the film American Beauty. He started his TV career writing for Cybil ( a great situation comedy based on the Brit hit Absolutely Fabulous and is said to have based Annett Being's character on Shephard), Grace Under Fire (another great sitcom), and Oh Grow Up, he's also a playwrite. And his newest tv series, based on the Charlain Harris Southern Vampire novels and entitled True Blood, is slated to premiere on HBO in Autumn 2007. Until then we got the film Towelhead to look forward to. Interested in the dark underbelly of suburban life. I saw one of his plays when he was writing theater in the 80's I believe. One to watch. (Oh - Six Feet Under is coming to Bravo...for those who missed it on HBO, I only saw the first two seasons, unfortunately.)[Go here for more info on Ball:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Ball_(screenwriter) and here:http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0050332/]

10. Tie : Bryan Fuller - Wonderfalls,Dead Like Me, Deep Space 9 and Voyager. Good at black comedy and has an off-kilter sense of humor. Has also created powerful female characters much like Whedon and Rob Thomas. [Go here for complete list of his works: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0298188/] OR Tim Minear - writer and co-executive producer on Firefly and Angel. Also did Strange World, The X-Files, Lois and Clark and The Inside (a tad too dark for even my sensibilities), and Wonderfalls with Bryan Fuller. Fearless writer who has the ability to delve into the darker areas of characters. (Couldn't decide between these two.) His upcoming stories may be Drive picked up by Fox about the illegal drag racing circuit, and The Spike Movie ( which I'm not holding my breath for, because honestly I think by the time they get around to doing it, Marsters will be 50 and far too old.)He's also writing a screenplay based on a Heinlein novel. [for more info go here:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Minear]

Okay, dinner time. And new tv shows...hee.
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