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1. Yes, I know everyone is bored of the Whedon thing. But, this is kind of interesting. I found it finally on Twitter - it's about what lay behind the whole CC reveal, and those who followed. Hint - it wasn't about Buffy or the Marvel movies or for that matter, The Nevers. No, it is about Whedon's long running attempt to get into the DC film verse after leaving the Marvel film verse.
Or rather it's about the Zack Snyder Justice League film that Whedon took over. I don't know if you saw the Whedon version? I did. Or read about what was happening behind the scenes at the time - I did. Or saw all the films in the DC verse prior - I did. I'm a fan of superhero flicks and superhero comics, goes back to my college days, when I discovered the medium. I remember doing my thesis next to a guy in a library basement - typing away at computers in the 1989. The guy basically looked like Billy Idol except with curly hair. It was the 1980s and he was into punk rock and comics. He was doing his thesis on the death of the superhero in the graphic novel medium, specifically Frank Miller's Dark Knight Returns, Red Son, and the Watchmen. I'd read all three - we had a very long discussion about it. This was long before we got good superhero flicks.
Anyhow, I've read a lot of the comics here and there, and seen all of the films in the franchise. With a few exceptions here and there. Also a good portion of the animated ones (not all, but a portion) and a portion of the television series.
Snyder had a mixed reviews - Snyder is a painter. His background is in high art. And he's a director - dealing mainly with visuals and FX. He also works in film - as most directors do, not digitial. Prefers film.
Watching a Snyder film is akin to watching a painting. Or being immersed in a visual world. His films often work best on a big screen. He's not really a writer - Nolan's brother tends to write Snyder's films, he's a director first and foremost - and works very well with people. The cast on Snyder's films - were his friends. His battles were with the WB, Geoff Johns (the comic book writer) and the studio heads - who wanted him to cut his film down to size, lighten it up a bit, etc.
What happened? Snyder's daughter died by suicide and he got tired of fighting the WB, and put his family first. The rest of the story is...appalling to say the least. And complicated.
You can find it HERE. It does not show various film critics, comic artists, comic fans, Whedon fans, Whedon, WB or comic writers in the best light. They basically took advantage of someone else's tragic loss for their own personal gain. It is appalling. They also lied about it.
It's an interesting read - because it shows how difficult the film industry can be and why so many go off and do their own things.
At any rate - there's apparently a Snyder Cut of Justice League premiering on HBO MAXtonight - ETA, misread, it's dropping 3/18/2021 - March. It's four hours long. And none of it includes Whedon's footage. Also, only five minutes of it were shot during the pandemic and after 2017. And Whedon's version only contained five 30 minutes of the original Zack Snyder cut - which is possibly why - the re-shoot was hell on wheels - because they basically re-shot the entire movie in less than four months. Cutting everything they did previously. After already shooting and working their asses off on the previous version. AND - various actors ended up with their scenes cut completely. It was - if you can imagine - shooting an entire movie over two years, only to have the director you've bonded with - get fired after his daughter died from suicide - and have a new director that you don't know jump in and throw his weight around. Force you to work hard and long hours, and say lines that you don't feel were in character, and do it in breakneck time, and act as if everything you did the past two years was pointless.
I'd have wanted to skewer Whedon and the WB for that alone. I don't blame the cast for hating them. Add to that - Whedon's version bombed, and the actors struggled afterwards. Plus the anticipated sequel was cancelled.
Now, finally, they get to see the version they worked hard on and were proud of - air. (They spent years trying to get to this point. The previous film aired in 2017.)
I can't see it tonight, but I'll try to see it over the weekend. I'm curious. Although - I'm not really a huge fan of Snyder's films - they give me a headache - all the fight scenes are like paintings, but also feel like watching a video game. So we'll see if I make it through it.
The twitter feeds mentioned Chris Helmsworth has been indicating issues with Whedon for years. So I looked.
Recalls Joss Whedons fury when Avengers Cast Kept Screwing up a Take
I think writers make bad directors for the most part.
2. Winter Storm and Texas Power Outage Map
Texas wanted its own power Grid to avoid the Federal Government - Now What?
Ted Cruz is not having a good year. Nor for that matter is Texas.
But I feel for my poor family members. I have three cousins, their kids, and youngest Aunt in Texas. I'd prefer that they be okay. So far they are.
3. Footloose or Dancing in the Movies
Off to bed. Assuming they quiet down upstairs. It is quiet. It just sounds like someone is moving furniture above me every once and a while.
Or rather it's about the Zack Snyder Justice League film that Whedon took over. I don't know if you saw the Whedon version? I did. Or read about what was happening behind the scenes at the time - I did. Or saw all the films in the DC verse prior - I did. I'm a fan of superhero flicks and superhero comics, goes back to my college days, when I discovered the medium. I remember doing my thesis next to a guy in a library basement - typing away at computers in the 1989. The guy basically looked like Billy Idol except with curly hair. It was the 1980s and he was into punk rock and comics. He was doing his thesis on the death of the superhero in the graphic novel medium, specifically Frank Miller's Dark Knight Returns, Red Son, and the Watchmen. I'd read all three - we had a very long discussion about it. This was long before we got good superhero flicks.
Anyhow, I've read a lot of the comics here and there, and seen all of the films in the franchise. With a few exceptions here and there. Also a good portion of the animated ones (not all, but a portion) and a portion of the television series.
Snyder had a mixed reviews - Snyder is a painter. His background is in high art. And he's a director - dealing mainly with visuals and FX. He also works in film - as most directors do, not digitial. Prefers film.
Watching a Snyder film is akin to watching a painting. Or being immersed in a visual world. His films often work best on a big screen. He's not really a writer - Nolan's brother tends to write Snyder's films, he's a director first and foremost - and works very well with people. The cast on Snyder's films - were his friends. His battles were with the WB, Geoff Johns (the comic book writer) and the studio heads - who wanted him to cut his film down to size, lighten it up a bit, etc.
What happened? Snyder's daughter died by suicide and he got tired of fighting the WB, and put his family first. The rest of the story is...appalling to say the least. And complicated.
You can find it HERE. It does not show various film critics, comic artists, comic fans, Whedon fans, Whedon, WB or comic writers in the best light. They basically took advantage of someone else's tragic loss for their own personal gain. It is appalling. They also lied about it.
It's an interesting read - because it shows how difficult the film industry can be and why so many go off and do their own things.
At any rate - there's apparently a Snyder Cut of Justice League premiering on HBO MAX
I'd have wanted to skewer Whedon and the WB for that alone. I don't blame the cast for hating them. Add to that - Whedon's version bombed, and the actors struggled afterwards. Plus the anticipated sequel was cancelled.
Now, finally, they get to see the version they worked hard on and were proud of - air. (They spent years trying to get to this point. The previous film aired in 2017.)
I can't see it tonight, but I'll try to see it over the weekend. I'm curious. Although - I'm not really a huge fan of Snyder's films - they give me a headache - all the fight scenes are like paintings, but also feel like watching a video game. So we'll see if I make it through it.
The twitter feeds mentioned Chris Helmsworth has been indicating issues with Whedon for years. So I looked.
Recalls Joss Whedons fury when Avengers Cast Kept Screwing up a Take
I think writers make bad directors for the most part.
2. Winter Storm and Texas Power Outage Map
Texas wanted its own power Grid to avoid the Federal Government - Now What?
Ted Cruz is not having a good year. Nor for that matter is Texas.
But I feel for my poor family members. I have three cousins, their kids, and youngest Aunt in Texas. I'd prefer that they be okay. So far they are.
3. Footloose or Dancing in the Movies
Off to bed. Assuming they quiet down upstairs. It is quiet. It just sounds like someone is moving furniture above me every once and a while.
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Date: 2021-02-19 05:14 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2021-02-19 06:35 pm (UTC)I also figured out something rather interesting...today, regarding a time line of events.
1. Kai Cole alleges Joss Whedon's misconduct in August 2017
2. Joss Whedon takes over Justice League in May 2017
3. Justice League Tanks in December 2017.
4. Ray Fisher comes forward with allegations and renounced what he said in 2017 - Ray Fisher Allegations Arise in July 2020 against Joss Whedon
5. Late in 2019 a fan group pushed for the Snyder Cut, and they rose enough money for the Snyder cut to be completed. . Everything you need to know about the Snyder Cut
The Snyder cut was completed in July 2020 and they were pushing WB and HBO MAX to distribute and air.
6. Ray Fisher's allegations prompt an investigation into Whedon's actions on the set of Justice League in August and result in Charisma being brought in - Whedon leaves the NEVERS, and leaves Twitter in November.
7. February 11 - Charisma Carpenter,after 20 years of silence, comes forward with her statement against Whedon - supporting Fisher, and Fisher/Charisma - #IStand - happens.
8. Snyder Cut is pushed on social media with the #IStand movement. And is tagged.
9. Feb 12 - they announce the Snyder Cut release on HBO Max.
10. More people come out against Whedon - notably people who are not necessarily friends of CC or Snyder - MT, SMG, EC, Amber Benson, Danny Strong, Tom Lenk, Adam Busch, Marti Noxon, Jose Molina...this lends weight to it. (If they hadn't said anything, I'd have remained skeptical.) They notably come out before CC's close friends and con buddies do - who wait longer, DB, JM, Julie Benz, Nick Brendan, J August, Amy Acker, Eliza Dusku.
11. Feb 14 - Official Trailer for the Snyder Cut of Justice League Drops - and the full story behind the reshoot and Snyder's problems WB are released.
By Feb 16, it stops coming out. No one else says anything.
Okay, that's an interesting pattern. Feels like a marketing campaign utilized to promote a movie and get it distributed.
So, all this came out because they wanted to release a different cut of a big superhero movie? Really? I hope I'm wrong - but it feels almost too neatly timed.
And what do Angel, Buffy, and Justice League have in common? WB
We get very little from Firefly. Nothing from the Avengers, Nevers, Dollhouse, or Cabin in the Woods.
I think this is about Warner Brothers - and use of negative marketing to promote a product. (I also believe Whedon did all that. But I don't think Snyder, his fans, or WB are clean either.)